The motivation is terror………killing people, and terror.

Sadly, there’s no grudge quite like an ancient grudge.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/476393

banter

Now that, Alf, is how you engage politically with people that aren’t necessarily in to politics.

Former Blair adviser Matthew Taylor has an interesting article on the failure of political leadership: http://www.matthewtaylorsblog.com/thersa/the-israeli-action-in-gaza-a-leadership-deficit/

How does Israel stop Hamas firing rockets at it’s towns- 5000 fired so far? Why does Hamas fire it’s rockets and stores it’s weapons in built up areas? There is plenty of open space in Gaza where rockets could be fired from and weapons stored where civilians would not be put at risk.
Why did Hamas murder members of FATAH in Gaza?

Perhaps it is time to detonate a love bomb, well over due i think.

“How does Israel stop Hamas firing rockets at it’s towns- 5000 fired so far? Why does Hamas fire it’s rockets and stores it’s weapons in built up areas? There is plenty of open space in Gaza where rockets could be fired from and weapons stored where civilians would not be put at risk.
Why did Hamas murder members of FATAH in Gaza?”

Who cares, “He started it” is barely a credible argument for a 5 year old.

“How does Israel stop Hamas firing rockets at it’s towns- 5000 fired so far? Why does Hamas fire it’s rockets and stores it’s weapons in built up areas? There is plenty of open space in Gaza where rockets could be fired from and weapons stored where civilians would not be put at risk.”

Or: ‘It’s not fair! Why can’t they fight like a regular army (even though they’re not, and can’t be) so we can kill them more easily?’

7. Lee Griffin . Personally I think Israel’s tactics will produce a long term problem for them. However, unless an alternative strategy is devised to stop Hamas and Islamic Jihad rockets being targeted at Israeli towns then noone will stop Israel’s assault on Gaza. Hamas is supported by Iran who has on number of occasions threatened to destroy Israel. As they said in WW2 “Foolish talk costs lives”. The continuous bellicose comments by Iran, Hamas and Hizbollah undermines moderate opinion in Israel. Hamas threatening to kill Jewish chilldren anywhere in the World is only going to make Israel more determined . I do not know of any WW2 resistance group which created bases/supply dumps near to civilians . The only time when death of children was accepted by resistance groups as an acceptable part of the fight was when the RAF , using mosquitos destroyed the walls of a prison next to a school with the aim of enabling resistance leaders to escape. The government in exile of that country made the final decision allowing the operation to proceed knowing that children were likely to die.

Would not all the money and time spent by Hamas on weapons and conflict be better spent on water and sewage treatment, healthcare and education ? FATAH has misused vasts sums of money . Would ‘nt a Hamas government producing a well run administration with a better quality sewage treatment, water supply, electricity supply , healthcare , education and a more rapidly growing economy be a better way of showing Hamas as preferable to FATAH when it cpme to government?

“Would not all the money and time spent by Hamas on weapons and conflict be better spent on water and sewage treatment, healthcare and education ?”

It almost certainly would, except maybe Hamas are libertarians and don’t believe the state should spend money on anything except weapons.

(actually one reason for the popularity of Hamas has been precisely that it provided healthcare, education and welfare services even whilst not in power, and the PLO was failing to do so).

I think that the answer is fairly clear:

http://www.scriboergosum.org.uk/revamp/2124

Get this into your heads: They do not peace. Peace doesn’t suit the Israeli Right & it doesn’t suit the Israeli Centre. Peace obliges dealing with the settler situation, that’s not something the Israeli Right wants to happen and even assuming it is (which you shouldn’t assume) what the centre does it’s not something that they can afford to do.

War suits the Israeli establishment just fine. It’s a central plank of the Kadima re-election strategy, in fact.

Motivation? From their perspective they can’t win; they conceded a Palestinian state, pulled out of Gaza and got precious little in return. As far as they are concerned, Hamas ended its ceasefire and if an organisation you are at war with ends a ceasefire, that means that sooner or later they are going to hurt you; so they got in first.

They do not peace. I’m sure they don’t! But how does one peace?

Israeli elections + Obama not yet inaugurated + Abbas constitutionally obliged to call date of next PA elections = Israel seeking to kill as many Palestinians and destroy as much of Gaza as possible.

But let’s face it, a state of permanent war has suited the Israeli establishment for quite some time now: nationalism forged in the heat of war cries is a useful political tool.

*sighs*

They do not WANT peace.

Oh. I knew that.

as in – I knew that was what you meant, and I was being ironic, and that I was fully aware Israel doesn’t want peace.

The problem when nations believe there is a choice between peace and victory, is that they tend to choose victory – no matter the cost.

Yes, I knew you knew.

Yawn. Im bored of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Face it, theyre not going to stop killing eachother.

The palestinians hate Israelis because their holy book tells them to hate Jews. Theyre also jealous because Jews are so much more successful than they are.

And the Israelis are going to overreact because, being Jews they have been almost completely wiped out on several occasions.

Thats why they’ve been fighting for as long as living memory can recall.
The only sensible solution and the only constructive thing which we could do would be to encourage the surrounding Arab countries to rehouse the Palestinians within their borders. If they really cared about them they would have done this decades ago. Hmm I wonder why they haven’t?

Hmm I wonder why they haven’t?

Maybe because they weren’t responsible for the ethnic cleansing that displaced them?

“Or: ‘It’s not fair! Why can’t they fight like a regular army (even though they’re not, and can’t be) so we can kill them more easily?’”

Hamas firing missiles from within civilian areas contravenes the rules of war, not to mention conventional morality. Moreover, whilst admittedly the Israelis may be very heavy-handed in their approach they are at least attempting/intend to target military objectives, whilst Hamas on the other hand deliberately targets civilians.

Mmm yum-yum,

Brilliant – why can we see things so clearly and nobody else can?

Lilliput

“Maybe because they weren’t responsible for the ethnic cleansing that displaced them?”

Uhh, yes they were! They told them to evacuate so they could get a better shot at the joooos during the war of independence. Then they lost the war and some territory with it.

That’s Zionist fantasy, not history.