Lost me there SH

“Clerical fascism”, I believe.

It reminds me of both New Labour and the New Conservatives. But that doesn’t surprise me – they are virtually the same, anyway.

In other words , the Conservatives, whether neo con flavour or just right wing constantly need dragons to slay. The policies that they support have very little public support because they are mostly about benefiting the top 20% of the population. The only way they can sell this to the public is ironically, not to sell it at all. But invent demons that have to be slayed. Orwell s perpetual war if you like. It is the whole Leo Straus world view that the people can’t be trusted with democracy and a tiny elite must use all means to keep themselves in power. media, religion, assassination, anything goes as long as the masses are kept at bay.

The policies that they support have very little public support

Yes that’ll be why Mrs T, whom everyone obviously hates, won three elections.

…they are mostly about benefiting the top 20% of the population

Interesting, you’ve clearly got some very specific statistics in mind. Here was me thinking that free market policies have raised living standards for hundreds of millions of people but I must be mistaken.

…world view that the people can’t be trusted with democracy and a tiny elite must use all means to keep themselves in power

I totally agree. The words European and Union spring to mind. Also, the fact that the death penalty was abolished by a small elite and that most people want tougher sentencing and more stringent immigration laws. But I’ll bet those aren’t causes dear to your heart!

Mrs Thatcher won 3 elections with 60% of the public voting against her.

Bush’s tax cuts have been mainly for the benefit of the top 10% income earners.

Your beloved free market deregulation is working just fine right now. The very policies that your beloved Thatcher and Reagan put in place have caused the financial meltdown we are now seeing.

As for Europe, which party took us into Europe? Conservative!

Which leader signed the European single act and rammed it through parliament on a Friday afternoon? Thatcher

Which party signed the Maastricht treaty? Conservative.

Your post is drivel.

Hmm, it’s got to be our friends at Harry’s Place surely?

“Now, which group of people does this remind you of, in the UK?”

In no particular order:

The Policy Exchange crew
The Henry Jackson crew (both parties, cf. Denis MacShane, Gisela Stuart)
The Decent Left
The Daily Mail and General Trust group of papers
The Daily Express
Andrew Gilligan and the Bendy Jihad
The less pleasant bits of New Labour, particularly around anti-terror, privacy and crime legislation, although to what extent that’s core belief and what extent a cynical using of the same techniques is open to question.
John Redwood’s obsession with trade unions.

Obviously there are substantial overlaps between the groups and not everything all of them do fits the bill, but once you start identifying you see it all over the place. It’s an ideology thing, though, but particularly prevelant around ideologies that lack a recognisable, cogent philosophy (beyond ‘Something Good Will Happen To Us If We Ensure Something Bad Happens To Group X’). All you’re left with is the shell of lies and sectarianism.

“they must insist that world Communism is still vital in order to lend their position vitality”

“Now, which group of people does this remind you of, in the UK?”

People who create a crisis to ensure the continuation of their agenda. Who could they be?

How about climate change alarmists, health fascists and the advocates of scientism? Were they the people you were thinking of? No, I didn’t think so.

You are right to a degree, the right have viewed the jihadists as a threat to western democracy just as communism was. Are you suggesting that they’re not entitled to that view? Did 9/11 just pass you by? If Islamic militism wasn’t aimed as an attack on the west, why during the Mumbai terror attacks, did supposed Kashmiri terrorists single out Israeli and western people? Democracy and the rule of law is our western heritage. We should be entitled to defend it from attack.

“Democracy and the rule of law is our western heritage. We should be entitled to defend it from attack.”

And yet you are constantly defending those that do attack it from within their own political institutions. Weird.

“And yet you are constantly defending those that do attack it from within their own political institutions. Weird”

I’m afraid you’re confused. What is weird is a person who values the right of a terrorist over an innocent person who is deliberately targeted for the shock value it would create. It is weird to desire the continuation of a despotic muderous regime over a rebuilt democracy.

However, it is not weird to respect the democratic process even if you don’t like the result. It is not weird to deeply regret the tragic loss of innocent life whilst recognising the the benefits of a greater good and it is not weird to wish to go about my daily business without having someone wanting to blow me up purely because I’m a westerner and because they have a silly obsession with innumerable virgins.

Liberals claim they want a classless society. If the way they behave towards people of whom they don’t approve is an example, they’ve been successful.