https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/ Left-wing news, opinion and activism Wed, 02 Dec 2015 19:06:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.12 By: John https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-48004 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:13:36 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-48004 Thanks Charlie. Yes – My bad for not doing enough user testing on the widget sorry. We should have overtly marked highest & lowest on the 100% scale to be clearer.
You’re right it’s a pretty crude tool – but it’s designed more to give a lot of people a little jolt for 30 secs interaction rather than to inform in any depth. If you’d like to try a slightly more thorough version on the same theme, try the IFS’ one at http://www.ifs.org.uk/wheredoyoufitin/

]]> By: Middle Income Britain: time for a new agenda | ToUChstone blog: A public policy blog from the TUC https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47981 Sun, 31 May 2009 21:15:18 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47981 […] while the pamphlet was also mentioned on a wide number of other blogs including comment pieces on Liberal Conspiracy and Comment is […]

]]> By: Charlieman https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47976 Sun, 31 May 2009 20:15:41 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47976 How many people started to use TUC’s middlebritainometer and gave up?

On the first page I am asked to guess my income position on a scale. The text reads “Someone on 50% would be bang in the middle with half the working population earning more and half less, so click where you think you are on the scale between 0% and 100%.”

I reckon that I am in the top ten percentile of wage earners, but do I select 10 or 90? Using 45% as an example would be a lot clearer.

On the next page, I am invited to enter my pay before tax and deductions. Without consulting my pay stub (helpfully delivered last Friday), I only know my net income. You know, the money that is put in my bank account by my employer. So I look up my gross wage.

And the magic meter confirmed my guess. It didn’t ask me any questions about marital status, size of family, disabilities etc. And it didn’t tell me anything about where I am positioned on the Middle Britain Scale. It’s just a wage distribution scale that takes no account of need.

Unsurprisingly, if I wanted to find a definition of “Middle Britain”, the Daily Mail is a fine resource. Here is where “Middle Britain” allegedly lives:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/28/article-1189349-0520793B000005DC-298_468x274.jpg

The caption reads: “Middle Class Close: Those neither rich nor poor have been squeezed by taxes and miss out on benefits under New Labour”

Source article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1189349/PETER-OBORNE-New-Labours-victims-Middle-Britons-obey-law-work-long-hours-taxed-extinction-This-plain-wrong.html

I suggest that the TUC gets some photos of where “Middle Britain” really lives and posts them to the Daily Mail.

]]> By: Charlieman https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47977 Sun, 31 May 2009 20:15:41 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47977 How many people started to use TUC’s middlebritainometer and gave up?

On the first page I am asked to guess my income position on a scale. The text reads “Someone on 50% would be bang in the middle with half the working population earning more and half less, so click where you think you are on the scale between 0% and 100%.”

I reckon that I am in the top ten percentile of wage earners, but do I select 10 or 90? Using 45% as an example would be a lot clearer.

On the next page, I am invited to enter my pay before tax and deductions. Without consulting my pay stub (helpfully delivered last Friday), I only know my net income. You know, the money that is put in my bank account by my employer. So I look up my gross wage.

And the magic meter confirmed my guess. It didn’t ask me any questions about marital status, size of family, disabilities etc. And it didn’t tell me anything about where I am positioned on the Middle Britain Scale. It’s just a wage distribution scale that takes no account of need.

Unsurprisingly, if I wanted to find a definition of “Middle Britain”, the Daily Mail is a fine resource. Here is where “Middle Britain” allegedly lives:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/28/article-1189349-0520793B000005DC-298_468x274.jpg

The caption reads: “Middle Class Close: Those neither rich nor poor have been squeezed by taxes and miss out on benefits under New Labour”

Source article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1189349/PETER-OBORNE-New-Labours-victims-Middle-Britons-obey-law-work-long-hours-taxed-extinction-This-plain-wrong.html

I suggest that the TUC gets some photos of where “Middle Britain” really lives and posts them to the Daily Mail.

]]> By: jungle https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47889 Fri, 29 May 2009 15:26:20 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47889 Of course, the whole game about how parties have to appeal to “Middle Britain” – which as the article accurately points out, in terms of policy apparently means appealing to the wealthiest 10% – is a method of masking an unfortunate reality in the UK’s political system.

By pretending this group represent the average ‘man-in-the-street’, it makes it possible for politicians to target the real constituency that determines the outcome of elections – which are not average voters but the wealthy donors who determine who can afford to run a big campaign, and the newspaper editors who can praise or smear at will – while still appearing to have the average ‘man-in-the-street’ in mind.

That’s what Tony Blair realised. He saw Labour could win much more easily if they tailored their policies to fit the big industrial and media interests. That, more than MP’s individual expenses, is why reform of the political system in the UK is desperately needed.

I’d guess most people – rich and poor – would be amazed at the average household income in the UK. From just looking at the papers you would indeed imagine it was between £40-£60,000.

]]> By: Paul Sagar https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47798 Thu, 28 May 2009 17:33:29 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47798 Great article, thanks.

]]> By: Jennie Rigg https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47791 Thu, 28 May 2009 17:12:01 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47791 Well, I guessed that I would be 20% and was in fact 19, so I am not that deluded.

]]> By: Shatterface https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47780 Thu, 28 May 2009 16:24:15 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47780 Middle Britain is the point of intersection when you ‘triangulate’ a ‘map’ of the UK in which voters appear as points arranged psephologically rather than geographically.

]]> By: redpesto https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47765 Thu, 28 May 2009 14:54:06 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47765 James, maybe you’re right, and I have merged a few things, but then ‘Middle Britain’ could be a metaphor (like ‘Mondeo Man’) or an ideological construct that people choose or feel they can identify with (it enables an ‘Us’, so to speak, even if it’s based on an error, e.g. how advertising ‘sells’ on the idea that ‘you’ have ‘taste’ if you by Brand New and not Brand X)

]]> By: James https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47756 Thu, 28 May 2009 12:50:01 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47756 Well you have merged a few things there.

The phrase “silent majority” clearly only works if a large number of peole actually relate to the values expressed? In contrast Mondeo Man is clearly a metaphor, and yes advertising, like the rest of the world, uses models and simplifications to make sense of things.

As regards the question, and the implication that the majority of people oppose more state intevention because they falsely think they will end up paying for it, I think this underestimates people to a surprising degree.

]]> By: redpesto https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47753 Thu, 28 May 2009 12:41:48 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47753 James – in the same way that people on £60K a year think they’re not ‘rich’, or that wearing Levi’s makes you ‘cool’, or believing that you are part of (to use Nixon’s phrase) the ‘silent majority’ (rather than on of those objectionable political types). Cameron’s idea that he is somehow against ‘political elites’ (while being implicated as one up to his eyeballs) just like ‘ordinary people’ (itself another loaded term) is part of the same trend. Put it another way: How many ‘Mondeo Men’ drove Mondeos? How many ‘Worcester Women’ live in Worcester? If Stanley’s post indicates anything, it’s the gap between the rhetoric/ideology and the economic reality – but the ideology needs exposing and challenging as much as the economics.

]]> By: Richard (the original) https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47750 Thu, 28 May 2009 12:37:52 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47750 I find that when people refer to the middle classes what they really mean are the upper middle classes.

As a part-time resident of Surrey I can confirm that the Middle Britain often spoken of does exist in at least some places.

]]> By: Shatterface https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47749 Thu, 28 May 2009 12:36:17 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47749 Is it where Selsdon Man used to live in the 70’s?

]]> By: James https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47744 Thu, 28 May 2009 12:20:54 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47744 If it’s made up how does selling advertising space on this basis work? Because surely the advertising wouldn’t lead to sales? Nor would Blair have won elections on that basis.

]]> By: redpesto https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47743 Thu, 28 May 2009 12:18:23 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47743 You’re missing the point: ‘Middle Britain’ is an ‘imagined community’ which doesn’t actually exist demographically, geographically or economically – it’s an ideological construct whose composition varies – but only slightly – according to whether you are Paul Dacre of the Daily Mail, David Cameron, or Tony Blair.

In blunter language: It’s something made up in order to win votes/sell advertising space.

]]> By: Shatterface https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47742 Thu, 28 May 2009 12:16:40 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47742 Middle Britain is where the Orcs come from.

Actually, I took it to have a social meaning beyond just income, such a geography (e.g. the sub-urban South East and very much NOT the regions) and goldem mean (median?) social attitudes (e.g. largely pro-law and order but also pro-NHS).

]]> By: Jako https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47741 Thu, 28 May 2009 12:14:43 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47741 Interesting post, but I’m not sure where the image of the Sealed Knot-types comes into this. Is dressing up in Civil War stuff a quintessentially Middle Britain activity?

]]> By: Robert https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47740 Thu, 28 May 2009 12:13:46 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47740 I get because I’m disabled and can only work part time £127 a week, thats all I get, I’m getting the lowest band and live in poverty hell tell me something I dod not know. I was guess spot on.

]]> By: tim f https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-47737 Thu, 28 May 2009 11:59:41 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-47737 Good stuff. It’s important for people to know all this – including the difference between medians for men and women, full-time and part-time etc. I love the meter device (I was 1% off my estimation of where I would fall).

]]> By: Liberal Conspiracy https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-75570 Thu, 28 May 2009 11:40:49 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-75570 New post: Where is Middle Britain? http://bit.ly/n8Gee

]]> By: ToUChstone blog https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-75569 Thu, 28 May 2009 09:37:33 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-75569 Nigel has a guest post at Liberal Conspiracy: Where is Middle Britain? http://ow.ly/9GjY

]]> By: Liberal Conspiracy https://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/28/where-is-middle-britain/#comment-82001 Thu, 28 May 2009 04:40:49 +0000 https://liberalconspiracy.org/?p=5202#comment-82001 New post: Where is Middle Britain? http://bit.ly/n8Gee

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