Sauce for the goose…

Hope not Hate really need to wise up.

O.K the Met aren’t to ban anything as they don’t have the power, they have applied for all protest to be static to the Home secretary, well done Hope not hate

[headline] Met police to ban ALL protests in East London

error in headline.

According to the article you linked to, The Metropolitan Police has announced that it is “in the process of applying to the Home Secretary for authority to prohibit a march in five London boroughs for a period of thirty days.” (my emphasis)

“marches” not “protests”

UKL @ 3

The practical difference being?

Jim,

The practical difference being?

The walking

The SWP have also called upon people to defy the Met police ban ….

The SWP are such muppets. You have to read their review of the new Planet of the Apes film on that website – it’s very funny.

So now it’s just going to be a police punch up, as they kettle the EDL in a place they don’t want to be. As well as being against bans on EDL marches, another thing to look at from a liberties point of view is police handling of these protests. Like seen here in this photo.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/25/metropolitan-police-apply-ban-edl-march

That is political policing.

the Met don’t have direct power, but the Home Office is not going to refuse them. So its the same thing. I’ve changed it from protest to marches though

though, saying that – what if they don’t allow protests against the arms fair? That would be a complete ban.

Damon its funny to see you complain about political policing now.

I don’t know what you mean Sunny. I’m against all heavy handed policing. The police should allow them to march as if they were a respectable bunch of people and nick people who break the law.

If left wingers and anti racists want to be on the ground to keep an eye on things, it should be to diffuse any tension and encourage local people to just ignore the EDL.

I was in Derry city two weeks ago when thousands of protestant Unionists marched over into the city centre for their anual parade – and many nationalists don’t like that at all. They see the city as ”belonging” to them because it has a catholic majority.
But sense prevailed and the march went off peacefully. Apart at the end when dissident Republicans threw some petrol bombs at the police. But to have wider protests against the parade would have done nothing but increased tension between the communities.

I think these set piece confrontations between the EDL and UAF are actually divisive.
It would be better to try to talk the EDL out of their present mind sets.

It would be better to try to talk the EDL out of their present mind sets.

Silly Billy.

the met requested a couple of bans 8 years ago ,one on stop the war, the home office refused, the other the home office wanted it banned but couldn’t under the HRA

Silly Billy.

And what’s better? Shouting and screaming at them and winding up local Bangladeshi men, some of whom might have only been in the UK for a few years?
I don’t like UAF/Respect projecting their rather suspect politics in the inflamatory way they do. Everyone joining hands and singing the Black Eyed Peas song ”Where is the Love?” whould be better than to be shouting about fascists and ‘Nazis’ in my opinion.

UKL @ 5

The walking

And? Is that significant? To be fair, if you are baning a march, you are defacto banning protests too. Once you secure a ban on ‘maeching’ it becomes far too easy to describe anything as a ‘march’ if the political will is there.

Jim,

Once you secure a ban on ‘maeching’ it becomes far too easy to describe anything as a ‘march’ if the political will is there.

Well, I know that you are so relaxed about language that I’m sure it’s possible someone might, with a straight face, claim a person standing still is in fact marching…

The SWP have also called upon people to defy the Met police ban

Including the EDL? What a bunch of morons.

@3

Most mass protests involve marching.

Point?

buddyhell,

@3

Most mass protests involve marching.

Point?

That the police haven’t asked for protests that don’t involve marching to be banned – so the original headline, that Sunny has since corrected (and in a timely fashion) was inaccurate.

UKL @14

People rarely stand still when protesting, but the wider point being that given the political nature of the Met and the political needs of the Government of the day and its ability to ignore regulations it happens to object to, the Government can get away with anything it chooses.

Once you secure a ban on ‘maeching’ it becomes far too easy to describe anything as a ‘march’ if the political will is there.
Well, I know that you are so relaxed about language that I’m sure it’s possible someone might, with a straight face, claim a person standing still is in fact marching…

You have to walk at least part of the way to a protest, carrying your plackard or banner if you have one, and PC Plod isn’t known for his liberal interpretation of the rules.

Shatterface,

Maybe, but if you are moving towards a registered protest, which itself is stationary (and which is not planning on moving) said PC Plod (unfortunate name considering the job – is it Polish?) might have to allow you to do so.

The difference between assembling and marching is actually quite clear – one involves people wandering in from different directions to join something (and happens before the protest starts – note they do have a start time after which PC Plod might be able to stop people wandering round) and the other involves everyone walking in the same direction.

None of which disguises the fact that the only way the police can stop marches without definite evidence of intent to commit crimes (or pressing public safety concerns) is by blanket bans, so calling for bans is not necessarily smart. Mind you, calling for banning anything is hardly smart…

The SWP/UAF are gonna get screwed from this as well as the EDL.

Also the SWP/UAF trying to get the Asian youth in the area to riot, is just helping the EDL and right wing press to justify cracking down on poor youth in general.

so they are banning march but static protest is allowed? You are all very confusing.

15 lol

I think this has everything to do with DSEI middle of next month and protest against banisters in the City on September 17th and nothing to do with EDL or preserving the peace, more to do with keeping the illusion unquestioned.